Meet Victoria Fuller: Playboy Playmate, Playboy Bunny, Artist and Rebel Bunny - The Rogue Bunnies!

Victoria Fuller has accomplished a multitude of successful ventures in her lifetime. She was not only featured as Playboy's Miss January 1996 Playmate of the Month but has also appeared in numerous Playboy Special Editions. Nine years after her Playmate appearance, she posed for Playboy again in the May 2005 issue.

Victoria also appeared on multiple reality TV shows: In 2004 she was in the sixth season of the television show The Amazing Race with her then husband. She would go on to appear in "Battle of the Network Reality Stars, Kill Reality" and a reality-star edition of "Fear Factor."

Current day Victoria is the founder and Chief Creative Art Director of
The Rogue Bunnies but is also the co-host of the new podcast Rogue Bunnies Mayhem.

Victoria is a beloved and revered artist, her true passion. Her skills are showcased in her newest venture, "The Rogue Bunnies," a collaboration with the renowned GATEFOLD LABS. The partnership has seen the launch of a collection of wildly creative and unique NFTs of close to 70 Playboy Playmates spanning the multiple decades of Playboy's legendary featured Playboy Playmates.

Not only is Victoria the mastermind behind the creation of these masterpieces of art that are, at the end of the

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Corinna Harney-Jones (00:01.4)
Does mine look gray, you guys, when you look at my hair? Now that I'm making it about my hair?

ECHO JOHNSON (00:04.508)
No.

Victoria (00:05.005)
No, not yet. It looks, it looks, it looks very, very blonde to me. So yeah.

Corinna Harney-Jones (00:10.272)
Okay. Okay.

ECHO JOHNSON (00:11.699)
Testing, testing, testing, testing, testing. Okay, Okay. All right. All right. Okay. Three, two, one. Welcome back to the show. We are here with Corinna is back in the studio with me. Yay. Hi, Ms. Corinna. Long.

Corinna Harney-Jones (00:13.55)
Because I just had it done yesterday and we were, I was telling her I don't know if I'm going to be able to keep, I get scared but then I also don't have to color my hair but anyway.

Corinna Harney-Jones (00:36.558)
Hello, Echo. Look who we have.

ECHO JOHNSON (00:40.311)
I know we have a special special guest for you today. I'm super excited to finally have Miss Victoria on the show. A things I want to say before we get started to our listeners around the world. First of all,

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Corinna Harney-Jones (01:38.83)
Yeah, I have a few. I have the Corinna Harney. Yes.

ECHO JOHNSON (01:41.651)
PMOY and EchoBunny93. Okay, so we have one of our most favorite playmate sisters in the studio with us today, Miss Victoria Fuller. Welcome to the show.

Victoria (01:56.781)
Thanks guys, finally.

Corinna Harney-Jones (01:59.372)
very talented and incredible artist and

ECHO JOHNSON (02:02.511)
yes, we're going to get into all of that Victoria is just up to a lot of very, very cool things. So a little bit of background on Victoria, Miss January 1996. She also is the founder and creator of Rogue Bunnies. And I'm sure you all have been hearing a lot about that. Yeah, Corinna's got her key on and so does Miss Victoria. If you are not following Rogue Bunnies, please do so. What is the handle Victoria?

Victoria (02:30.609)
just the Rogue Bunnies on all socials, the Rogue Bunnies, R-O-G-U-E, and then roguebunnies.com. So anything you can find us, everything you want to know on roguebunnies.com.

ECHO JOHNSON (02:36.422)
Okay.

ECHO JOHNSON (02:40.027)
Okay, awesome, awesome, awesome.

So Victoria, from the 90s, we are, I think, are all in agreement that the 90s was really a supreme decade and there was a lot of incredible playmates that came out of that period. But it also was an interesting time within the dynamics and the workings, not only of the world, but of Playboy. There was a lot of major changes that happened and we were all there and a part of it and able to witness the transitions from the internet

coming on board and evolving and us learning how to create websites and membership-based websites and Playboy integrating all of that into the company, which took a little bit of time. They're a little bit behind the eight ball on that, but we can talk about that later. But yeah, so let's just get into it. I want to ask you first, were you discovered or did you submit?

Victoria (03:37.715)
Well, I ultimately was discovered, but originally I had submitted my photos and I was turned down. And then I went to a cattle call with a girlfriend. I wasn't going for myself. She didn't want to go by herself. And Steven Weida was doing the cattle call and he kept saying, you should. And I didn't want to overshadow her because it was like her dream, even though it was mine too, but she invited me. So I didn't, they wanted to take my pictures, but I didn't do anything then. And then

I was on a modeling job for like a box covers for some random sexy girl video that was like, you know, not porn of any kind, but just girls dancing around in bikinis and whatever. I wasn't even in the video actually, but they needed a girl for the box cover and they hired me for the job. And Alexis Vogel was the makeup artist and she did my, I had never had my makeup done before. I always just kind of did lip gloss and mascara and that was like the extent of it.

And so she did the lashes and though I never wore lashes before, she did the lashes and the lip liner and the whole like, and I remember thinking, God, she's, she's like, wonder what she's doing. And then when I looked in the mirror, I was like, holy shit, like, wow, this is a transformation. And I, it just gave me a lot of confidence. And she was like, you should be in playboy one. I was like, yeah. And so she took a bunch of Polaroids of me actually nude Polaroids. said that we need to, we need no clothes on. And I was like, okay, whatever.

And so Marilyn Gabowski called me the next morning. It was that quick. And I was in the office within the next 48 hours. I was in the office and I was, they had already given me a contract and I barely read it. I mean, I skimmed through it. I'm like, what, how, what could it possibly say? You know, I'm all like 22 and a half or 23 or whatever. And I was just like, whatever it says, it's yes to me. If all these other girls did it, was stupid, stupid. You should always read your contracts, but.

ECHO JOHNSON (05:22.931)
Thank

Corinna Harney-Jones (05:23.99)
Yeah.

Victoria (05:35.085)
Nonetheless, yeah, I filled out my whole Playmate thing and did all my stuff and they got me right into my Playmate shoot. it was pretty exciting, although I did wait a year and a half. So they did my Playmate shoot and then like, they're like, well, we're going to put you on hold because we don't want you to be January 95. We want you to be January 96. And I was like, I was so depressed. I was like, my God, this is so low. But it ended up being, you know, the

further out you are, the more fresh you are, right? And that happened to be a good time because 1996 was my first time being actually to the mansion. I was in the guest house, but I never met Hef. So it was New Year's Eve. My issue is the issue 1995 turning 96, as you know, January is the December issue. So it was on all the coffee tables in the mansion. And I show up in my gown, the whole thing. And...

ECHO JOHNSON (06:05.981)
Yeah.

Victoria (06:30.961)
And it was just like, it was like a neck, it was like a whole, like it couldn't have been more perfect. If I had been the year before, they weren't really doing the parties and stuff as much. I might not have been invited, but this he had opened up. was, know, Mel Torme. It was just like the most beautiful party I had ever seen. So for me, it felt like very much like, like my party, like a party for me or something. And I brought my date who I didn't end up staying with, it was a boyfriend that I ended up.

breaking up with, he was a mess. And yeah, that was the first time I met Hef. So that was a really exciting time. 1996 was right in middle of the 90s, coming off of Jenny McCarthy and Anna Nicole Smith and Pamela Anderson. And there was a lot to live up to. I did not feel worthy many, many times, but I feel like it was a really good time.

Corinna Harney-Jones (07:24.728)
Probably not.

ECHO JOHNSON (07:25.313)
I remember you sharing that story with me and it was just recently Victoria that you had to wait a whole year and I didn't know that I was like, my gosh, that's like, I would be like, the anxiety ridden.

Victoria (07:34.125)
I think it was good.

Corinna Harney-Jones (07:37.74)
fact that her very first makeup ever is the best in the business.

ECHO JOHNSON (07:41.021)
Alexis Vogel.

Victoria (07:42.399)
Yeah, Alexis Vogel and she did my pictorial and then so when they, you know, when you shoot your playmate headshots or whether the black and whites and the whatever, she was sick that day. So there was this other guy that did my makeup and everything. And I remember looking in the mirror going, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

Corinna Harney-Jones (08:05.934)
alone?

ECHO JOHNSON (08:06.567)
Wow.

Victoria (08:10.701)
but it's the weirdest hair. I have a big forehead and he did this thing where my hair was like, and it was just, the makeup was really like, she made my eyes look like this and he made my eyes look like little squinty, you know, like I looked really old. His, I looked really old when he did my pictures and you know, but anyway, I was able to redo the photos. The only thing I regret was I didn't understand about hair extensions and all that. And I didn't really have as long as hair as this.

Corinna Harney-Jones (08:26.527)
my gosh.

ECHO JOHNSON (08:27.314)
Yeah.

Victoria (08:40.255)
or as much hair. And I wish I would have figured out hair extensions and had all that, you know, like I wish I had been more current on that.

Corinna Harney-Jones (08:50.222)
Isn't it funny to think like that? Do you ever think like that, Echo, about your, that just made me think of something, how you said that, because I was so young. I was right before you, 92, so you were not many years after. But what's funny when I look back, 91 when I pose, but what's so funny to me is what you just said is things that you wouldn't have, you probably ever.

ECHO JOHNSON (09:02.631)
Yeah.

Corinna Harney-Jones (09:16.878)
thought about until you posed for Playboy, but then you look back and you can make comparisons we were talking about. Because I was the same way. I look at mine and I'm like, why didn't I have them soup? Because I was had natural curly hair and it was. But I mean, we never did anything. But thinking about that, I when you say that, because I've seen your pictorial, I would never think you needed anything. It's.

Victoria (09:30.283)
Yeah, well curly hair is harder with extensions.

Victoria (09:43.137)
Well, you know, they do your hair like this. There was one day that I went in and that was when Pam Anderson was marrying Tommy Lee and she was all the rage and like her and Alexis were really super close. And one day I came into the studio and she's like, Victoria, I'm gonna put your hair up in a ponytail because I have some of Pam's hair extensions and I'm gonna put it, so she did put it in a ponytail and I remember thinking, this is it people, this is it. This is gonna be the best pictures ever.

ECHO JOHNSON (10:02.151)
cool.

Corinna Harney-Jones (10:09.454)
yeah.

Victoria (10:11.853)
They didn't really use any of those photos, but I remember thinking like, this is it and whatever. you know what's, yeah, I was going to see what's funny about all my pictures I've done with Playboy, which is as you have all done thousands and thousands and thousands of photos with Playboy. And it seems as though if you go back and you look at all my pictorials and my centerfold and anything that I've ever been on, they like to print pictures with my eyes closed. So.

Corinna Harney-Jones (10:17.994)
It's funny! No.

ECHO JOHNSON (10:20.019)
was gonna.

ECHO JOHNSON (10:41.299)
Really?

Victoria (10:41.692)
80 % of all my pictures my eyes are closed and and I yeah, and I I had a complex I'm like obviously there's something wrong with my eyes and I Don't know what's wrong with my eyes, but like, you know, I'm like then after you know, once you start publishing me I was like trying to keep my eyes open all the time cuz Cuz I'm like I'll be damned if you're not gonna do it with my eyes open, but

ECHO JOHNSON (10:59.652)
She's like...

Corinna Harney-Jones (11:04.184)
No, it's because you looked sexy. There was something smoldering about her that they wouldn't have. That's funny.

ECHO JOHNSON (11:06.64)
Yeah.

Victoria (11:08.781)
I but I had my eyes were fine. I don't know what was wrong.

ECHO JOHNSON (11:12.945)
Hahaha!

That's so funny.

Corinna Harney-Jones (11:16.439)
And what do you remember? Where did you shoot your pictorial?

Victoria (11:16.544)
Yeah.

Victoria (11:21.165)
It's at San Monica, the studio.

Corinna Harney-Jones (11:23.37)
Okay, yeah.

ECHO JOHNSON (11:23.795)
And it was Steven Wada, right, who shot your centerfold?

Victoria (11:27.819)
I did both. I did Steven Weida and I did Arnie Freytag. Now I love Arnie and he did my centerfold and he's very meticulous. you know, like he likes you to stay in one spot and he does this perfect, like he's the lighting guru. But what happened with me was I just kept, I was moving around too much. And I think, you know, Marilyn was like, I think we need to put you with Steven with the ring lights so that you can just move around and he'll just move around you and.

ECHO JOHNSON (11:35.826)
Yeah.

ECHO JOHNSON (11:42.419)
Hmm.

Victoria (11:56.159)
And so he shot my small camera and Arnie did my centerfold. So I did get the best of both worlds because really Arnie is really the master with the centerfolds. So I was really lucky that way. Yeah.

ECHO JOHNSON (12:07.517)
That's actually, yeah, that's super interesting and very cool that you were able to shoot with both. And when I interviewed Steven Weida, he spoke about that, how he was a very different photographer than him. And Marilyn had a very unique and close relationship compared to the other photographers. And your...

spot on about Arnie in one position only and so meticulous about the finest little details of lighting and whatnot and Stephen hated that he wanted you to move around he wanted you to be dynamic he wanted it to be more natural and I never knew that I thought that was really interesting I assumed that they all shot the same

Corinna Harney-Jones (12:36.94)
That's it.

Victoria (12:45.835)
Yeah, well, you know, with the centerfold, as you guys all know, is the only photo in the layout because it's done with a whole different camera where the negative is an eight by 10, so it's a very big, large format. they lit it the way that they lit it because at that time, everyone thinks that there was an airbrushing thing going on. That wasn't true with the centerfold. The centerfold was untouched.

ECHO JOHNSON (13:08.294)
There was a

Corinna Harney-Jones (13:12.054)
Exactly.

Victoria (13:12.255)
So unless it was something major, would maybe, because one time I had like an eyelash that kind of came off and they're like, get all, I did a thousand pictures in the same pose and when they wanted had the eyelash. So they were like, well, we might be able to kind of get rid of that. But that wasn't a time when they were doing digital and all those things. So to do any kind of airbrushing or anything, which they did soften a lot of things on the layout photos.

but not on the centerfold. that's why it looks different. Like it looks almost more crisp or something when you see it. You can almost, you could see every eyelash, every hair where it's a little bit more not diffused a little bit in your layout. What?

ECHO JOHNSON (13:42.172)
Yeah.

Corinna Harney-Jones (13:52.974)
Did you cry? Did you cry? Did you cry when you did your centerfold? Because I call it the Civil War camera. I call it the Civil War camera. That's I always call it.

ECHO JOHNSON (13:55.333)
And what? yeah, good question.

Victoria (13:59.093)
I know that I...

ECHO JOHNSON (14:02.051)
I cried.

Victoria (14:04.205)
I didn't cry, but I did. I was dating someone at the time and he and I were dating and he kind of cheated on me with this girl that he's like, she's going to be in Playboy, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I was like, that's funny. And you know how you go in the office and you see all the girls that are coming up. And I was like, I don't see her in the lineup in the next couple of years. That's weird. She must've shot and then they didn't use her and she's bragging about, mean, how long can you brag about that you're going to be in Playboy and then it never comes out. But he and I,

ECHO JOHNSON (14:26.248)
Yeah.

Victoria (14:32.833)
got in some argument one morning and I was on the way to do my small camera and or my or my whatever it was my centerfold maybe was that day and he broke up with me on the way to the studio and I remember sitting in my car and I was like trying to hold it together whatever and like I didn't want to walk in and being upset but it was obvious that I had been crying and I sat in the chair and Alexis came in and she goes what's wrong what's wrong

And I said, well, my boyfriend broke up with me and she was like, great, that's great. Yeah. And she said, I'll be right back. And she got Marilyn and Marilyn came in and she turned me around and she put, she put her hands on me and she said, listen, you're going to have so many people that want to be with you. Don't worry about this. This is a blessing in disguise. He doesn't deserve you. You're dry those tears. You're about to be on the best ride of your life and don't let this bother you. And she.

Corinna Harney-Jones (15:03.246)
I love Alexis, I love her.

ECHO JOHNSON (15:03.838)
That sounds like her.

Corinna Harney-Jones (15:15.118)
Yeah

Victoria (15:26.933)
She really, I was thinking, yeah, like, I'm gonna be in Playboy. I'm gonna have plenty of boys that are gonna wanna be, you know, that are gonna think I'm worthy or beautiful or wanna date me or whatever. So then I was like, yeah, you're right. And that, you know, like that relationship ended and that couldn't be, couldn't have happened at a better time because who wants to bring along someone that's not gonna be happy and supportive for you through that journey, which is life changing.

ECHO JOHNSON (15:48.275)
Please.

ECHO JOHNSON (15:54.971)
Yeah, absolutely. Now you were a little older for a playmate, right? Were you in your mid 20s? You're 23, okay.

Corinna Harney-Jones (15:55.39)
Yeah, well...

Victoria (16:00.141)
I 23 and by the time I was published I was going on 25.

ECHO JOHNSON (16:06.785)
okay.

Corinna Harney-Jones (16:07.244)
wow, wow. That's still a baby, just for our listeners that don't know what she meant when she said small camera and when she was explaining what the centerfold was shot with these giant Polaroids, it was almost the size exactly of the centerfold. So they would have to be perfectly still like Victoria was explaining so that it would, I mean, there wasn't any room for error. It had to be exactly that image.

Victoria (16:09.151)
So, yeah, but I did get older.

ECHO JOHNSON (16:10.481)
Yeah, still a baby, but.

Victoria (16:35.213)
that you couldn't move.

Corinna Harney-Jones (16:37.004)
Yeah, so small camera was just getting out in the field or as her case in the studio, but it was just literally the smaller normal camera that you'd get all of your pictorial was they just always call it small camera. But a lot of people don't know those things. They're like, what do they mean small camera?

Victoria (16:44.557)
all the pictorial.

ECHO JOHNSON (16:56.347)
Yeah, yeah, that's a good point. Victoria, you also worked a lot as a bunny, didn't you? And let's talk, tell the audience about the bunny suit coming back because that also was a very big deal when that occurred. And that was in what, was that 2000? Okay.

Victoria (16:56.875)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Victoria (17:08.215)
Good.

Victoria (17:18.765)
It was 97, 98, I want to say. So what happened was, and I didn't know this about Carrie Stevens, there was, it was, I think she said it was Victoria Silverstead, her, and then one other girl that was really petite. So small, medium, large bunny costume. And they were bringing it back. And so they were like the models that would stand in front of half and he would be like, yes, I like it, like it, like it. But when he brought the bunny costume,

ECHO JOHNSON (17:35.547)
Yeah, right.

Victoria (17:45.313)
back because it was so iconic. It's the only non-government uniform patented by the US government, by the way. And yeah, and it's very iconic in that, you know, it was originally for the waitresses. And if you were, if you were a playmate, weren't allowed to waitress. And if you were a waitress, you were not a playmate. If you became a playmate, you're no longer being a bunny, right? Because they didn't have never wanted the bunny, never wanted the playmates to be waitresses or whatever they want. He wanted them to be something.

Corinna Harney-Jones (17:51.732)
Wow!

Victoria (18:12.513)
better, right? Like something bigger, whatever, you know, I don't want to say better because those bunnies were so iconic. So he brought back all the clubs had closed and he had wanted to bring it back because it was an icon of Playboy and very smart of him to do so. And so he, he fitted myself and Ava Fabian. So her and I were the only two that had the bunny costume and we started going out on jobs and doing tours at the mansion and stuff.

Corinna Harney-Jones (18:15.512)
more celebrity, it was more...

Victoria (18:41.645)
And it just kind of became like, wow, it'd be kind of, you know, people were really like, my God, was so the bunny costume is just one of those things. So I opened the NASDAQ and the New York stock exchange in my bunny costume. Yes. I'm the only one to do that. All in the same week. And, and then, I also got a contract when Playboy did the Playboy slot machines. They wanted to hire.

ECHO JOHNSON (18:54.912)
my God, how cool.

Corinna Harney-Jones (18:56.802)
Wow!

Victoria (19:08.939)
bunny to be their spokesmodel and Playboy was already getting a licensing deal and all that. So I made friends with the executives at Valley gaming and Playboy said, listen, we don't want to deal with all the Playmate promotions. it? We were, we're not making money off of the same way that we usually do off of the job. So you can go and create your own contract separate and apart from Playboy and you can decide your own contract with them, whatever you make you make. We're not taking any part of it. We're already getting the licensing. So

I did, I made my own contract and I'm one of the few girls that actually was able to contract myself as a bunny, as a playmate using the Playboy license outside of Playboy. So I was able to negotiate my own fees and everything else. And so I was their spokesmodel for four years and I traveled all around the world everywhere that there was a Playboy slot machine or they were going in or wherever it was. I was there and I was on all the material and I was on the games and I was on the billboards and I was on, you know, I was on all their stuff.

And that was really, really exciting. And then I kept kind of going to the, every year I'd go to, you know, Europe and I'd go to Canada and I'd go all these things. And I started going to the convention. started being the same bunny every year. And they're like, you know, we love you, Victoria. And then they realized, there's other girls that have a bunny costume. And then that was, that was it. Then they never hired the same girl ever again. It was always new girls, but that's when it started. I don't know if you remember the Friars Club roast. I think, yeah, so Hef.

ECHO JOHNSON (20:34.675)
With half, yeah.

Victoria (20:37.451)
So then there was Deanna Brooks, Kelly Monaco, Ava, and myself. We were the four girls that were in bunny costumes at that point. And so we went to the Friars Club and we were like, hefs, you we were the bunnies, you know. Yeah, we were just like the entourage and whatever. And I believe he may have been, no, I guess he wasn't married to Kimberly at the time because he had a bunch of the girlfriends there and they were.

ECHO JOHNSON (20:51.633)
His entourage, yeah.

Victoria (21:03.359)
making fun of Hef and the girls and that he had all these girlfriends and whatnot. yeah, so that's when it started to be like that the playmates, if you were a playmate, they started fitting you for a bunny costume. So more and more and more. And then it became almost every girl practically that was working in playmate promotions was getting a bunny costume because they wanted to be able to offer that. was becoming, they would rather have a girl in a bunny costume than have a girl and they would make more money. Playboy would make more money. They could charge more.

than just a girl showing up and signing her autograph. They really should have shot us in our bunny costumes and used those headshots, but they never did that. But yeah, that's kind of how it started. So that was, was 98, yeah.

ECHO JOHNSON (21:43.367)
That's cool. That's some great, yeah, that's some great background. Yeah. Background history on that. I never got to wear the bunny suit during that time, but I also didn't live in LA. So yeah, but I did get to wear it the one time for the 60th anniversary and it was so awesome, but it so uncomfortable. My God.

Corinna Harney-Jones (21:43.82)
Wow. Did not know that, but yeah.

Victoria (21:56.619)
Well, you weren't in LA, so that's probably why.

Victoria (22:06.325)
Yeah. Yeah.

Corinna Harney-Jones (22:08.035)
Yeah, both of you. I think I saw you. Were you on any slot machines in Las Vegas? Yeah.

Victoria (22:17.451)
Me? Yeah, all of them. At one time, not anymore. It's not me on them anymore. It's totally, that was when the reels were like real and now they're all digital. And there are still Playboy slot machines, but they're few and far between. don't think it's such a, they must be old or something.

Corinna Harney-Jones (22:27.831)
Wow.

Corinna Harney-Jones (22:37.346)
Yeah, I had no idea that you were the one that brought that back from because I remember.

Victoria (22:43.373)
Well, I mean, I didn't bring it back. was lucky enough to be chosen to be.

Corinna Harney-Jones (22:46.339)
Well, you know what I mean. mean, that's pretty amazing because it had been probably since the 60s, right? Or... Okay.

Victoria (22:52.909)
80s. No, it was the 80s. So the last club closed in like 1986, 87, somewhere around there, somewhere around Ava's time, Ava and Julie McCullough. So right around that time, there was a few clubs left like New York and there was the LA club. And they just started shutting down. I don't remember the reasons or whatever, but yeah, so the 80s were the last club. So it had been a good 10, 12 years since anyone had seen a bunny costume in the wild.

Corinna Harney-Jones (23:01.76)
Okay.

ECHO JOHNSON (23:20.669)
Yeah, and it was a big hit for sure.

Corinna Harney-Jones (23:23.638)
And they are iconic. There's nothing more. They're so, it's, yeah. Yeah.

Victoria (23:23.937)
This is you. It's great. It's a great costume. Let's face it, it's timeless, you know? Like it looks just as good as it did when it was created way back in the day. Like the cut, the everything, it's just its time, you know?

Corinna Harney-Jones (23:39.615)
Yeah, absolutely.

ECHO JOHNSON (23:40.147)
Let's talk about the Playboy Extreme team and then you going to do the Great Race with Danelle Folta and all of that because that was very cool as well.

Victoria (23:44.205)
Ugh.

Victoria (23:52.077)
Are you talking about the amazing race I didn't do with her, which is a whole different thing, but we did the adventure racing. Is that what you mean?

ECHO JOHNSON (23:56.902)
I

Yeah, but did you were you part of the playboy extreme team for you were right and then okay Yeah, talk about that. So it's called the extreme race

Victoria (24:03.629)
It Yeah. It was called the Playboy Extreme Team and we did a thing called the High Tech Adventure Racing. And she went to like Borneo and she did the ones where she traveled for days on like eight day race or whatever. I never did that. We did train for it. We did some heavy, heavy training. mean, we went to Florida, we're training. was Deanne. was, I mean, can't like there was so many girls, can't Jennifer LaVoy.

Yoricka Erickson, Debbie, Deborah Driggs. So we were training all the time. We got a bike, you know, we got one of the mountain bikes. We got a lot of great equipment. mean, Denelle really like took care of us. So we got all this great equipment and we did do a high tech adventure race. And I believe it was, I don't know how many teams it was, but we came in way before like many, it's a, it was a eight hour race. And so it's teams of three. So it was me.

Jennifer Lavoie and my gosh, I'm forgetting her name now, but anyways, it was a three of us. And so it was two petite girls and me. So when you're the big person, you're the mule. So I was the mule. So I'm the one that carries everything. I carry the girls. I carry the bikes. I carry the stuff I do. I do all the heavy lifting because. Yeah, because I'm the strong one. So they're like the one that has to take on that role. there was the race was, yeah, we, was, it was really, really fun. And we beat.

Corinna Harney-Jones (25:19.134)
my god. You're stronger. Yeah.

Victoria (25:32.075)
all these men's teams that look like they were in really good shape. And of course they all thought these girls like, you know, whatever. And when we, some people, some teams didn't even finish. Like they couldn't even finish, you know? And so, and we finished and we did great and we toured all over. went, we had a volleyball team. We had a snowboarding team and the snowboarding team was super exciting. I got a snowboard. got all the, all the outfits. I went and we're doing signing my name, whatever.

ECHO JOHNSON (25:33.778)
Yes.

Victoria (26:01.313)
When it came to get on the slopes, on the snowboard, no, that was, couldn't do it.

ECHO JOHNSON (26:04.944)
haha

Corinna Harney-Jones (26:06.446)
And Danelle had approached me about being on the team and my daughter was so little, I couldn't leave her. She was like two and I'm like, I'm not, I would hinder you guys. I could have been on that team and it makes me think if I wasn't a snowboarder, I stopped snowboarding when I married my husband, cause he, you know, anyway, but I used to snowboard. I would have been helped. I would have helped your team.

ECHO JOHNSON (26:17.875)
It was fun.

Victoria (26:18.379)
You took it on the team because I was... Yeah.

Victoria (26:29.825)
Yeah, I just couldn't do it. I tried, I tried for many, many, many years, even after I did have the Playboy snowboard, there was only 200 of them made by this hazmat company. And I actually sold the board and the boots and all this stuff. sold it to a Erika Erickson's son, his name's Nigel. So he has my Playboy snowboard, which he loves. I saved it for my daughter, you know, like I saved it for my...

ECHO JOHNSON (26:30.685)
Corinna would have pulled it together.

Victoria (26:57.773)
When I had a child, thought, I'll give it to my child or whatever. And she became a skier and she's like, I don't want that thing. And I was like, okay, well, I guess I'll just, you know, I'll sell it. And then when I sold it, she was like, do you still have that snowboard? And I'm like, I sold it. She goes, why would you do that? And I'm like, she's waiting. Yeah.

ECHO JOHNSON (27:06.849)
you

Corinna Harney-Jones (27:12.578)
I know, no, seriously, seriously. Have you talked to Danelle?

Victoria (27:18.007)
I haven't talked to her in a little while. It's been a couple of months or something, but I try to check in with her every now and again. think her and her husband are in Chicago. And yeah, no, she's always been incredible. you know, she's, did such a good job with that. Extremely.

ECHO JOHNSON (27:32.093)
Do you think, you? Yeah, that was such an incredible endeavor that she put together. I was a part of the Playboy Extreme team, but I did not do any of those big races. I I was like, I learned how to rock climb and we were doing, know, mountain biking and like trucking, you know, doing all kinds of stuff. It was super, super cool. I would love to have Danelle on the show and talk about all of that because I was a, yeah, you'd be open to it, don't you think?

Corinna Harney-Jones (27:35.078)
yeah.

Victoria (27:38.113)
So good.

Corinna Harney-Jones (27:40.47)
I'm out.

Victoria (27:51.554)
Yep.

Corinna Harney-Jones (27:57.248)
The whole extreme team, that'd be a fun one with everyone.

Victoria (27:57.393)
you should!

Victoria (28:02.893)
don't see why not. mean, she's, you know, like that was a huge part of her life and yeah.

ECHO JOHNSON (28:05.043)
Yeah, if you're in contact with her too, because I didn't know how to get a hold of her, I'll definitely reach out to her.

Corinna Harney-Jones (28:10.968)
There was even the fishing, I remember the fish, there was a Playboy, I thought it was Extreme Team, but maybe it was separate, the fishing team. Yeah, like the blue marlin.

ECHO JOHNSON (28:20.357)
Really? I never heard about that.

Victoria (28:22.807)
Well, Ava and I got hired on a job to go out in a, I don't know if it's deep sea fishing or whatever it but we went out on a chartered boat left from Ventura and we, I don't know why they wanted us there, but they were fishing and doing all this stuff and like they were gutting the fish and we were doing, and I'm thinking, what an odd job to have a bunch of roommates on in our little sundresses and gutting fish and putting, and know, dealing with

ECHO JOHNSON (28:45.331)
You

Victoria (28:52.909)
We both were like by the end we're just like seasick and the whole night, but we did actually have a really good time. But I always thought what a bizarre job to to go on, you know, so.

Corinna Harney-Jones (28:57.858)
Mellie.

ECHO JOHNSON (29:05.239)
Yeah, I mean, I think I think at the end of the day, that's funny that you said that Victoria, because I think about, you know, different promotions that we would go on. And there were some real random ones that I was hired for, and like, real random locations, random events. And basically, it was anybody could call and hire a playmate to come to their event, and you got paid is what it was. Yeah.

Victoria (29:25.645)
For any reason. Yeah, any reason. got to...

Corinna Harney-Jones (29:27.192)
much.

Monster truck shows were fun. I mean, yeah

Victoria (29:32.909)
I didn't do that, but I did get to shoot the puck at the Blackhawks game from half to right. Yeah, I got to do that and nobody had made it in over a year. So when I went, I'm a playmate, whatever, of course, nobody thought I was going to make it. And before I went up, they let me go down in the locker room and I was like...

Corinna Harney-Jones (29:38.679)
Ooh!

Victoria (29:54.027)
All the team was there and they're like, woo, and I was like, hey, anybody wanna like show me how to hold a hockey stick so I just don't look stupid? Like no intention that I'm ever gonna make it because the slit is like this big. So that you don't get the whole thing. You just get one little, cause it's $50,000 to some charity or whatever. And nobody had made it in a long time. Bunch of celebrities have shot the puck. So he said, I'll show you. So we were underneath the tunnels or whatever. And he was showing me how to do the hockey and.

whatever and I said, I think I'm good as long as I just hit the puck and it's like, I don't miss or whatever. He's like, you'll be fine. You know, don't worry about it. Nobody ever makes it. And if you would not believe, I went out there in my leather pants and my high heel boots and I shot the puck and I made it and the whole crowd was like, wow. I thought, my God, thank God. Thank God I made it. It was so good. I felt like such a hero. I was like, my God, how did that?

ECHO JOHNSON (30:40.846)
is incredible.

Victoria (30:47.691)
I just felt like that was divine intervention, like, yeah, fuck you people. You think that she can't get a nice little puck.

Corinna Harney-Jones (30:52.872)
Yeah, watch her. That's so awesome. See, and those are stuff. Those things are so special. Yeah, that's like once in a lifetime. Who can say that they did that? Seriously.

Victoria (30:58.583)
Fun. Yeah.

ECHO JOHNSON (31:00.125)
Yeah, fun, fun, fun stories.

ECHO JOHNSON (31:05.767)
I know.

Victoria (31:06.177)
I know it's funny as I never thought that I worked. I thought all the other girls were working so much more than me, but there was a time I was working three days a week. So I was on a plane, did the job, come back a day, get on a plane, come back, did whatever, tours at the mansion all the time, constantly all the time, working at the mansion all the time. And yeah, so it was just like, really...

I was making a lot of money. just figured all the other girls must be working 10 times more than me. But when I look back, I worked a lot for a good little stretch of time. worked a lot. And then when my art kicked in, I just felt like then that started to be a big part of what I was doing. And so I was really busy there for two decades, feel like. I didn't stop until I had...

ECHO JOHNSON (31:36.261)
No, you definitely worked. You worked a lot. I know that you're always

Corinna Harney-Jones (31:56.118)
Yeah, yeah, my I ended when you started, I think looking back, but then I still worked. met you. I worked on promotions with you as well. Yeah. Yeah.

Victoria (32:02.849)
No, you- you- you- you- you-

You worked a bunch with me. Yeah, you worked actually quite a few. Yeah, we all worked together. We did a bunch of things for the big conventions in Vegas. And you guys also, both of you did the wet and wild when we would all had the silver bikinis or the other bikinis we would wear. Cause I have pictures of you guys and yeah, I remember those. did a bunch of those. think Echo, think I did a thing on the surfboard where we took the Polaroid. You were on one of those with me. I still have.

ECHO JOHNSON (32:14.791)
the golf tournament.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah. Yeah.

ECHO JOHNSON (32:32.839)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'll have to pull that up and put that here on the slideshow. For our audience, let's tell them what Wet and Wild was. And this was in the 90s, and there was a couple really huge events that, like, there probably was like 20 or 30 playmates at a time that would attend these events. And it was the big convention in Vegas. What was it called? It was like...

Victoria (32:36.225)
Yeah, those are.

Corinna Harney-Jones (32:36.504)
So.

Victoria (32:43.521)
You're the best.

Victoria (32:55.533)
party.

Corinna Harney-Jones (33:01.68)
it was the wet and wild water park in in

Victoria (33:01.933)
Well, it was the video convention, whatever the video convention

ECHO JOHNSON (33:04.104)
Yeah, but it was like, yeah, it was a bit of a convention and then they had the huge party at the Wet n Wild water park. Yeah.

Corinna Harney-Jones (33:06.862)
gosh, what is that called?

Victoria (33:14.753)
You had to get invited. You had to get invited. So basically the wet and wild, they'd rent out the entire, which the park isn't there anymore, but they rent out the entire water slide park, which was an epic park. And they had all of us, they had about 25 to 30 playmates all dressed in the same bikini. We always had, all of us had the same bikini on.

ECHO JOHNSON (33:21.137)
It was private.

ECHO JOHNSON (33:25.405)
So fun.

ECHO JOHNSON (33:33.521)
lots of celebrities.

Corinna Harney-Jones (33:34.52)
They shuttle us over with the whole makeup team for each of us.

ECHO JOHNSON (33:38.867)
you

Victoria (33:38.893)
I mean, it was incredibly, yeah, I wasn't, we weren't going on the rides and stuff. We were just walking around. And so you had to be invited and it was all kinds of celebrities. And then it was everybody that they wanted to schmooze from the convention. So it was like everybody wanted to get in and it was, know, and of course it was, everybody was drinking and in the, you know, like doing all this stuff. was, I did not.

ECHO JOHNSON (33:52.989)
Yes.

Corinna Harney-Jones (33:56.206)
Tons of celebrities. You didn't ride on the rides, Victoria? we would ride, that's all we did? We're like, der Stuka! We would do the Bond by Boggin and laugh so hard. my god.

ECHO JOHNSON (34:02.813)
Corinna and I went with Paulie Shore.

Victoria (34:09.749)
I do wanna miss it from here.

I didn't want to have wet hair. I didn't want to get my hair wet. I didn't want to get my lashes wet. And I didn't want to, you know what I mean? Like I didn't want to, this was too vain. I just was like, no.

Corinna Harney-Jones (34:20.243)
Way too professional. Wait, I'm just kidding.

ECHO JOHNSON (34:25.107)
Hmm.

Corinna Harney-Jones (34:25.612)
What's funny is I don't picture you like that. you don't seem like you would have been worried about that when I think of you just knowing you're

ECHO JOHNSON (34:31.089)
Yeah, I feel like she would have dove in right away. Like, let's get in the water.

Victoria (34:36.971)
you know what I was so worried about? I just wanted to live up to I always felt a little insecure about like I wasn't as pretty as the other girls and whatever and I just wanted to make sure and live up to my I took it I took the job very seriously like Pat Lacey and everybody always worked me because I never drank I didn't drink for like early on in the 90s I drank a little bit and then I decided I don't want to drink anymore so I didn't drink didn't smoke wasn't doing drugs so I was just like I was very like I wanted to be as preserved as possible and reserved as possible

Corinna Harney-Jones (34:37.84)
We didn't know.

ECHO JOHNSON (34:52.914)
Right.

ECHO JOHNSON (35:04.947)
Mm-hmm.

Victoria (35:06.861)
because I just was very serious about, and probably I wasn't as fun as some of the other girls, honestly, because I think when you get hired on a job, they expect the girls to be a little bit more like, I don't think I was as friendly as they probably wanted me to be. I was a little bit more conservative, but yeah, I mean, they could count on me that I wasn't leaving drunk or anything. wasn't having any children.

ECHO JOHNSON (35:23.281)
Yeah.

Corinna Harney-Jones (35:31.47)
Yeah, no. Well, I didn't drink during the promotions. We weren't supposed to. could get Pat Lacey with. You're doing trouble. I peccos on, and she's like, I did.

Victoria (35:36.107)
I know, but a lot of girls still could. A lot of girls. I mean, there was a letter that went out at one point that was basically like,

ECHO JOHNSON (35:36.783)
did.

ECHO JOHNSON (35:45.271)
it. I have it. Bill Farley wrote it and I'll actually send the email to you and I found it recently reprimanding all of them. No, wasn't it wasn't me and Barbara. It was this other chick but but yeah, I could understand you saying that but no it wasn't Barbara. But yeah, it was a two page reprimand and then they they stopped all drinking at the

Corinna Harney-Jones (35:50.412)
And it was because of Echo. It was because of Echo and Barbara. my god.

Victoria (35:52.245)
No, it was because of Barbara.

Corinna Harney-Jones (36:05.686)
You guys are so funny!

ECHO JOHNSON (36:11.827)
the promotions are like, damn it, that's no fun. That's hysterical.

Corinna Harney-Jones (36:15.046)
Anava! So fun. Those were some really, really fun memories. Those tied with the moment. No!

Victoria (36:21.835)
It doesn't get any better than that. Yeah. We're getting paid all this money and we're like the star of the show, but not only that, we're doing all these really fun extra. We're getting treated, you know, like, like, like movie stars or something, you know, we were just like, you know, everything was first class. People wanted to keep shopping all the time. And like Vegas was always fun when the club, when the Playboy club opened,

ECHO JOHNSON (36:23.418)
No, not if-

Corinna Harney-Jones (36:30.37)
Fast food.

ECHO JOHNSON (36:36.359)
Totally, totally.

Corinna Harney-Jones (36:38.594)
had five star restaurants, all of it, like the whole works.

ECHO JOHNSON (36:44.04)
Yeah.

Victoria (36:51.061)
You know, George Maloof used to have us hire us to come and just sit with the high rollers and he would give us a thousand dollars of chips to play with. But instead of playing with the chips, a lot of us would like sit with the high roller and the high roller would be like, I'll give you our chips were down our top. And then they would give us a hundred dollar chip. I would always put my chip on top of whatever they were playing. So I would just play with these professional people. And then I would just make, I mean, I would make thousands of dollars.

sitting there with these high rollers and then when they're over, it's like, okay, bye, going back to my room or near my shrimp cocktail and do them whatever, know, like that was the really, really, really fun times. And fun fact, when the Playboy Club opened at the Palms, everybody got, Hef went with the girl, you know, Holly, Bridget and Kendra, and everybody got a key and it had the October 6th, 2006 date engraved on the key.

ECHO JOHNSON (37:25.063)
Yeah.

Corinna Harney-Jones (37:27.051)
on.

Victoria (37:47.787)
And I gave birth that day to my daughter. And so they all called me and said, congratulations. I was really close with them at the time. when everybody got back and I came to the mansion for the first time, Hef gave me his key because my daughter's birthday was on it. So he gave me his key. So.

ECHO JOHNSON (38:03.246)
is awesome.

Corinna Harney-Jones (38:03.276)
Well...

That gives me goosebumps like how thoughtful of him knowing that that date is so special and they all wanted you were wishing you were there.

Victoria (38:15.421)
I know, it was so sweet, so yeah, so that keys me.

ECHO JOHNSON (38:17.501)
Didn't the girls throw you a baby shower as well? OK.

Victoria (38:23.373)
They did for Girls Next It was on the Girls Next Door. So Mary O'Connor threw me a baby shower. The Spa threw me a baby shower. And then Hef and Holly threw me a baby shower that was filmed on the Girls Next Door. I had so much baby stuff. There wasn't anything that I needed. I was like, this is amazing. Like I got some Holly and Bridget. Bridget gave me some beautiful. They both gave me a bunch of beautiful things that I still have to this day. They're gonna keep St. Box. I kept a lot of it for Trice.

ECHO JOHNSON (38:31.837)
them.

Corinna Harney-Jones (38:32.29)
You got lots of big stuff.

Corinna Harney-Jones (38:40.142)
Yeah.

ECHO JOHNSON (38:41.381)
Exactly.

Victoria (38:51.061)
So they gave me really beautiful, thoughtful things. And I don't know if you realize, but Hef and Holly were Teresa's godparents. when Holly broke up with, or when they broke, whoever broke up with who, when she wasn't around anymore, Hef still took it very seriously that Teresa was his goddaughter. And he got her gifts for Christmas. And he was always very sweet with her. And she would come into the mansion and she, you know, like she would go up to his chair and they would have this conversation. You know, she's three and four and whatever it was.

ECHO JOHNSON (38:57.285)
No.

Victoria (39:21.193)
And she would like to sit with them. She sat on his lap a bunch of times. She just was like, you know, why not? She was not shy at all. She just, she loved Hef and Hef loved her and she was always welcome to the mansion. I mean, we would go and go to the zoo and go in the pool and she learned how to swim in the pool. And she was always, all the butlers knew her and she was allowed to go into the kitchen. I was not. She was allowed to go and eat Hef's chocolate cake. You know, so it was a...

ECHO JOHNSON (39:25.425)
That's precious.

Corinna Harney-Jones (39:27.319)
Yeah.

ECHO JOHNSON (39:44.283)
Hahaha

Corinna Harney-Jones (39:46.22)
How cute.

Victoria (39:49.801)
It was a really sweet time and they did do an episode where they babysat her. I don't know if you ever saw that episode, but you know, they take her and they babysit her and they do whatever and she's on his bed and it was, it was a very cute episode. And when they gave her back to me, her like, diaper was on backwards. they were trying to, they were trying to figure out cause she wanted to have a baby if you remember. And so she was like, you know, trying to like,

Corinna Harney-Jones (40:05.454)
That's cute.

ECHO JOHNSON (40:12.432)
Yeah.

Corinna Harney-Jones (40:13.87)
I didn't watch all of those. Now I want to go look at that.

ECHO JOHNSON (40:17.733)
If I'm not...

Victoria (40:18.615)
Super, super cute. Yeah, Hef called Tris because she had the curls. and she was acting he was like she's going to be the Shirley Temple. She's the next Shirley Temple of our time. And yeah, he was really sweet about it and whatever. And but yeah, she didn't stay in acting.

ECHO JOHNSON (40:28.08)
off.

ECHO JOHNSON (40:33.822)
That's so awesome and I was gonna actually segue into that because you were very, very close with Hef and with Mary. Yeah, and you really got to experience that, not on the daily, but you were at the mansion all the time. And saw Hef through the girl of the next door, Holly, and then Crystal and all of that.

Victoria (40:37.033)
you

Victoria (40:41.909)
Larry, yeah, especially. Yeah.

Corinna Harney-Jones (40:43.074)
Yeah.

Victoria (40:50.935)
I was... everything, yeah.

Victoria (40:59.885)
like, Hef did so many amazing, nice things to me, but I tell everybody, I don't think I was so special. I think he did a lot of nice things for a lot of people. I think I felt close to him because I was there and because he did so many nice things, but I don't think I was as close to him as some of the other girls. But certainly I felt like he really cared about me and he, you know, of course, granted me the licensing contract for my art, which launched my art career.

ECHO JOHNSON (41:09.191)
Mm-hmm.

Victoria (41:28.173)
which was all part of the plan when I was nine years old, right? I was gonna become a playwright, and an artist. And so he made all my dreams come true. I I didn't care about the modeling. cared about being, I wanted to be an artist. I wanted to be a famous artist and selling galleries. And because of him and because of that licensing, he gave me a huge leg up and it did launch my art career. So I keep, you know.

Corinna Harney-Jones (41:31.16)
and that's

ECHO JOHNSON (41:50.033)
Well, with that said, let's go into the rogue bunnies and how that even manifested. I mean, particularly creating NFTs. mean, you obviously had your finger on the pulse of what was happening in the industry and understood the crypto market, et cetera, and understood what an NFT was. So talk about that and kind of how much time it took to bring that to fruition and.

Corinna Harney-Jones (41:50.446)
going to do this.

Victoria (42:12.109)
Thank

Victoria (42:16.941)
Well, in 2017, after Heff passed away, had a friend that was an artist and like him being gone was like a whole like I didn't have the licensing anymore. I was doing my art. I was doing my art, whatever. But a friend said, you got to meet me at the mall. I have this new technology for artists. It's the it's the wave of the future. You have to get on on the ground floor. So I met with him and he introduced me to NFTs, Crypto Kitty wallets, all this stuff. And I remember thinking,

this is the dumbest idea, how could this be the next thing that artists are gonna do? I was so disappointed. was like, why would he waste, I was mad at him. And I remember going home and I remember thinking about it. And like, someone told me, I always, the things that I think are those stupidest ideas are dumb, end up being like really great. Or like, I think, that person's never gonna be a famous whoever, you we meet people early on and then they become Eminem or they become, you know, and I'm always like, I'm always wrong about these things. And so I thought, you know what, I should probably,

give it another try. So I called him and I said, listen, are you willing to talk to me again? So from 2017 to 2020, we would meet every, you know, four to six months. And we would talk, he set me up with wallets. He was educating me on NFTs. And right around 2020, I didn't want to get my feet wet because I still was wrapping my head around it. I didn't know how to like, I didn't know how to apply it to my art really, or how to create a career around it. But in 2020, this thing called Clubhouse, which was kind of an app.

ECHO JOHNSON (43:39.847)
Right.

Victoria (43:47.021)
that was, you know, like, like, get people could gather and they could talk in rooms. It was like an audio thing. It wasn't a visual thing. And there was everything was about NFTs and blockchain and all these things. And you could get in and all these rooms where people were talking about it and moving and shaking. And so I just had that on for 24 hours a day. I would just listen, listen, listen. I go to sleep to it. I started asking questions. I started getting to know people. And so I thought, I'm going to launch like an NFT art career for myself because

Corinna Harney-Jones (43:51.736)
Thank

Victoria (44:14.945)
Galleries were, I don't know, just things were kind of waning and then COVID happened and then all the galleries shut down. I wasn't able to sell anywhere and I was like, I really got to get into this. And so I started minting NFTs off of my art and it just wasn't, it was not doing anything for me. I just wasn't, I had sold a couple, but it wasn't, I didn't see any future. was like, this isn't a big deal. And then Playboy started in this whole other direction with their giving, you know, like,

the different direction, let's just say, I'm not going to go too far into it, but we all know they went into this other direction and the legacy of what a Playmate was, was at stake in my opinion. And so I thought I can't like, I'm not going to, this is not okay with me as a Playmate. So I thought it was time to create a brand separate and apart from Playboy using blockchain technology and gathering as many of my favorite, beautiful Playmate sisters as I could to create a new brand and not that we're

ECHO JOHNSON (44:50.727)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Victoria (45:11.881)
not that we're don't like Playboy and don't want to be associated with him, but something that was really about us and owning our IP and being able to basically chart the waters of how we wanted to engage with our fans, create communities, create content, own our content, own our IP, all of that. And so that was the idea around it. so that's where I started the company Gatefold Labs and I created Rogue Bunnies. We are Rogue Bunnies. We went rogue.

And so I have 70 girls under contract right now, Playmates, Legacy Playmates, and we call them Legacy Playmates 70. Yeah. It's a lot, I know. I don't know how I did it. It was incredible. So like it's ebbed and flowed, know, it was like, we got really hot and then it gets quiet and it gets really hot. mean.

ECHO JOHNSON (45:46.813)
70s? That's a lot. Wow, Victoria. Congratulations.

Corinna Harney-Jones (45:50.584)
Wow. Wow.

Victoria (46:01.249)
You know, the crypto market is all over the place. There's no rules. People that say they're an expert in crypto and NFTs. There's nobody that's, you can have good experience, but it is not something, it's a very difficult business because it does ebb and flow and things change and new technologies and different applications for how you create tokens and NFTs and all the things and what people.

want to pay for, know, at one time everything was selling. If you minted it at NFT, someone was going to buy it. But now it's so saturated. You could put out stuff. No one ever sees it or finds it. So you have to be really, you have to be really, you know, we're, come from a place of marketing PR promoting. you know, we have an understanding of all this. And so that's been a huge base for me. And not only, do I, do I have the relationships with the girls, but because I did a, I did a

job from 2010 to 2014 where I did game design and animation. So I learned how to do animation and digital art and all the things. And so I took that and I married that with my art, which was perfect for the, for the NFTs. So I was able to basically launch the launch, the brand and the company off of just my tools that I had, which was a big deal because it's very expensive to hire artists and this and that and all these things. So I was able to wear a lot of hats and

I do have a great team now, but able to launch this, but I wouldn't have been able to do it without all the support of all of you ladies and the other ladies that are on the team. And there's so much more to go. It's evolved into something so much bigger than I had anticipated. And we're still going and we're still, there's a roadmap. There's things that are happening and yeah, we have a great community.

ECHO JOHNSON (47:46.403)
yeah. Yeah. It's like you just barely like to touch the tip of the iceberg for sure on that. And I'm just, I'm, I'm so excited to be on board with it. know we all are and we applaud you. Yeah. I'm back. No, but I, we applaud you, Victoria. I mean, you're, crushing it. I love everything that you're up to. You're just so talented and creative and Bravo to you. Seriously. Half off. Yeah. Yeah.

Victoria (47:55.246)
I know. Well, you were on and then you were off and I

Victoria (48:11.905)
Thanks. mean, it's a lot of work and you know, none of us have gotten rich off of it yet. We've done, we've done fairly well, but you know, it's a very expensive venture. takes a lot of money to keep a team and keep it going. And all this technology is very expensive. and there's a lot of things that I didn't know that I didn't know that I had to learn, you know? And, and so that's kind of, it's a, it's definitely a learning curve. You know, there's still much more that I don't.

know that I don't even know yet. Like I'm learning stuff that I didn't know I needed to know. So I'm always like, I always think I have a handle on it. And then I'm like, gosh, I really need to. So I'm in a learning, which is part of the reason why I love it so much, because I love a good challenge, but I'm learning all the time. I'm learning, I can always find something new to learn or to research or, you know, whatever. And there's lots of people in this space that are, you know, very happy to give you their input and their experience and whatever. it's been.

It's been really eye-opening and great. And it's also been really great to have access to all the playmates that I knew before, all the girls that I knew and that I worked with and girls that I hadn't even worked with and to kind of be in contact again. And we've gotten together several times for some events that we've thrown and you guys were at the last event and it was really nice to see everybody together. And it's a sisterhood that...

ECHO JOHNSON (49:21.245)
Yeah.

Victoria (49:32.937)
no matter how much time has passed or how long you've known someone or not known someone, or even if you've never met one of the playmates, you have an automatic bond that nobody else could understand besides a playmate, you know? And between Marilyn Monroe and Hugh Hefner's death, there's less than a thousand playmates published. So it's a very small sorority. It's a very exclusive, you know, club to be in. And once a playmate, always a playmate. So I subscribe to them.

ECHO JOHNSON (49:59.021)
Amen to that sister. Exactly.

Corinna Harney-Jones (50:01.0)
Yes, yes. And I'm so excited also, I stopped in her dish to my friend Nile with Technotainment, but I'm telling you, it blows my mind. Like Echo said, you really are brilliant. it's, and this is another, no, it's.

Victoria (50:21.578)
Well, I'm a parrot.

Corinna Harney-Jones (50:25.25)
Hef knew how to pick them. We always say that. There's something so spectacular and special and it's funny because earlier you said, what did you say that you used to feel insecure like you wanted to measure up to a standard? You are. It's like I laughed so hard looking at especially, my gosh, you were holding up those photos. You were one of the most, you know.

Victoria (50:43.009)
Yeah, want to live up to it.

Corinna Harney-Jones (50:54.604)
beautiful of the playmates, you know, but it is, it's a special, special club, but you're also a very special person. So it's like, of course you were gonna end up in, you know, rubbing shoulders with the people that, I think of you saying Heff was your outlet to art, and you have that vision and look how it happened.

Victoria (50:55.777)
well.

ECHO JOHNSON (51:04.787)
Mm-hmm.

Corinna Harney-Jones (51:23.027)
And on top of that, what's that? Yeah. yeah. Yes.

Victoria (51:23.309)
He was an artist and he appreciated art. He was a cartoon artist and he loved art. Of course he collected all that art. know, Hef used to always say, I don't want you to be a playmate and just stay a playmate. Like he was not, he wanted you to move on to something else. He wanted you to use the playmate experience to propel yourself into whatever it is that you wanted.

Corinna Harney-Jones (51:33.268)
saw your talent.

Victoria (51:48.885)
And like a lot of, there's a lot of people that would not want you to be so successful. They'd be jealous. They'd be whatever. Hef wanted to give and give and give. He wanted the girls to do the best that they could because if they did really well, of course it's going to come back to well Hugh Hefner because of Hef, because of Playboy, you know, they, it was, they were, they were star makers, you know, they made girls into, from the girl next door into this glamorous, you know, iconic figure. And so, you know, he did want

Corinna Harney-Jones (52:03.214)
Yeah.

Victoria (52:18.729)
it to be a launching pad. So I did want to use my experience to the fullest and try to get as far as I could, as many doors as I could knock down saying, I'm a Playmate, I'm with Playboy, Playboy, Playboy, Playboy. And it seems so weird to think that that's how you're getting in the door. But honestly, at the time, in the nineties were the best time for that. When you were a Playmate in the nineties, that was gold.

ECHO JOHNSON (52:20.53)
Yeah.

ECHO JOHNSON (52:40.787)
There we are.

Corinna Harney-Jones (52:42.062)
I'm sorry.

ECHO JOHNSON (52:44.935)
and you carry it around your business card. Yeah.

Corinna Harney-Jones (52:46.574)
Well, you're the late 90s as far as television, like the Girls Next Door. That is what took it to the next level when it came to, I think, like with your art, was a different era where it was the 90s and there was nothing like the 90s. I look at you at all of your beautiful pop art in the Palms Casino, the, you know, those...

Those things are pretty spectacular. That must have felt good. I've never asked you how did that feel? Was that the first time you had had anything in an exhibit? Or had you already had it?

Victoria (53:26.601)
No, was I was so when I got the Playboy licensing I did a whole bunch of iconic Playboy imagery Oil oil on canvas. I did oil on canvas and I didn't do nudes. I did girls in the bunny costume I did heff in front of the airplane. I did stuff that seemed like nostalgic and I had a art Agent at the time and I was getting in galleries around the world. And so we merged we got together with George Maloof

and made a deal with him and they used a bunch of my, know, when they were promoting Playboy was, you know, they were in constant promotion of Playboy being at the palms, but they were using my artwork all around the casino. Behind the front desk was my artwork and like things like that. I wanted them to buy the artwork and have it on permanent display, but they ended up just kind of leasing it kind of a thing. And so I did get it back, but I did ended up selling it all. But yeah, and there was a time where it was,

there was, was it Christie's or Sotheby's that was going around? They were selling Playboy art and it was at the Palms and I was at the Palms. I was in my bunny costume. I was working for the extreme team. I was working in my bunny costume. I was working the Christie's auction, selling the Playboy art, but in the next ballroom, I had scheduled for the Victoria Fuller Playboy art and I was on the arm. I was on the jumbotron outside. I was in the pop tents in the restaurant. I was in the elevator. So I was like, I was like,

It was like everything, because I was a combo of everything that was going on. I just, it just felt like Victoria. I just felt like I was everywhere. And yeah, so it was that that particular weekend was like really epic for me because I was just like, Ooh, this is, this is really weird. Cause when I asked George, we asked him, can we get on the pop tents? Can we make them on all the tables on the cocktail tables? Can we get in the elevator? Can we get, and he's like, yeah, wherever you want, you know, and usually they charge big money for that.

Corinna Harney-Jones (55:17.516)
It's so fun! Yeah!

Victoria (55:21.037)
But because it was Playboy and they had to deal with Playboy, was all about Playboy. So they were so generous to just give it to us for free. So yeah, it was a really lucky time. I mean, that's what I mean by Playboy knocking down doors, even in the art world, it was a big splash.

Corinna Harney-Jones (55:27.786)
yeah.

Corinna Harney-Jones (55:31.288)
Say, yeah. yeah.

Corinna Harney-Jones (55:36.557)
Do you still talk to George?

Victoria (55:39.061)
I haven't talked to him in a really long time. He wrote me a beautiful letter after I did that. And he said, I gave him a piece of artwork that I did. had the palms on it. It was a bunny money and it had the palms logo and everything on it. he's like, if you ever need anything, it's my phone number and like, you know, I think you're great. And just let me know. But no, I should have stayed in touch with them, but you know, as he knows, he doesn't own the palms anymore. So, and they took that bunny down off of the building. That was a sad weekend when they took him.

Corinna Harney-Jones (56:07.604)
But you have pictures of it. I'm sure you have all the...

Victoria (56:08.461)
Yeah.

ECHO JOHNSON (56:09.175)
For sure. For sure. I know, right?

Victoria (56:11.105)
I always wonder what they did with it. Like, where did it go? Who has it? Where's it seen? Yeah, they still have a Hugh Hefner suite. So they still have that and it has Playboy stuff.

Corinna Harney-Jones (56:14.74)
Yeah, yeah, you're right. Yeah.

ECHO JOHNSON (56:17.433)
I wonder. Yeah.

Corinna Harney-Jones (56:20.483)
Nothing.

I wonder if they just have it stored somewhere there. I would go try to find it. We're on the hunt. If anyone's listening to this, we're looking for a piece of Victoria's art.

ECHO JOHNSON (56:31.948)
you

Victoria (56:34.411)
No, no, wasn't my art. It was the funny logo that was on the side of the panel. No.

ECHO JOHNSON (56:34.907)
No, no, the bunny. The bunny head on the building on the poem.

Corinna Harney-Jones (56:39.694)
I thought it was a piece of your art. Nevermind. Okay, sorry. I got that wrong.

ECHO JOHNSON (56:43.219)
Well, you're the one in Vegas, Corinna. You go on that hunt. For alibi, we'll find the bunny from the home.

Corinna Harney-Jones (56:48.66)
Yeah, exactly. Yes, alibis is pro.

Victoria (56:52.262)
It has to be 20 feet tall, this logo, bunny logo that was on the side of the building,

Corinna Harney-Jones (56:57.519)
wow. yeah, now I do. Yes, because there was, okay, it was seriously on one of the rooms. The room. Yeah, this tower. They called it the Playboy Tower. It was the Playboy Tower. Yeah. Yeah. Huh. Yes. I thought you made it.

Victoria (57:00.397)
You could see it from miles away.

ECHO JOHNSON (57:01.981)
Yeah.

Victoria (57:06.335)
It was on the tower. was just on the side of the tower way up high. Yeah, the Playboy tower. Yep. Where is it? Where's that money?

ECHO JOHNSON (57:17.82)
Let's find it. Let's find it. All right, sweetie. So we're gonna wrap up the show. We like to end the show with asking two questions. And it's always really interesting to hear everybody's answer. They're all different and they're all great. So if there were three words that define Hugh Hefner to you, what are they?

Victoria (57:45.227)
iconic, generous, and witty. He was very funny.

ECHO JOHNSON (57:51.761)
very yeah I love that I don't know if I've heard witty yet thinking about all that yeah I like that okay I don't know if you had the chance to see half before he died I know that everybody everybody was cut off the list so okay so here we go had you had the opportunity to speak to him before he passed or in memoriam what would you like to say to half

Corinna Harney-Jones (57:54.858)
it too. No, that's the first time. That's the first witty. Yeah.

Victoria (58:08.833)
We did.

Victoria (58:21.357)
I would just give him a big hug and thank him and just tell him how much he's been such an instrument in my life, you know, for everything wonderful that's happened to me was because of him. And yeah, he changed my life. I would just really tell him I love him, you know. He was an easy person to love. Give him a hug. Tell him you love him. And yeah, I saw him a week before he passed away. So I saw him just right before, yeah.

ECHO JOHNSON (58:40.199)
Yeah. Yeah.

ECHO JOHNSON (58:45.625)
Okay. good. At least you got to see him. I love that. Yeah. Yeah.

Victoria (58:49.503)
I did. And I gave him a hug and I told him I loved him and you know, yeah.

ECHO JOHNSON (58:54.759)
Very good. All right. Well, thank you so much, Victoria. I'm so happy we finally were able to get you on the show to our audience. Please follow Victoria and everything she's up to at the Rogue Bunnies. There's, like she said, so much more that will be coming out and evolving. And it's going to be an ever evolving project, basically. Corinna and I are part of it, as well as 70 other playmates. Or 68. We would be the two.

Victoria (59:12.215)
So much more happening.

Corinna Harney-Jones (59:19.788)
And we'll see her in May. We'll her in Vegas in May.

Victoria (59:24.043)
Yeah, we're going to try to be there end of May for an event. So keep your eyes and eels, eels peered.

ECHO JOHNSON (59:24.282)
So.

ECHO JOHNSON (59:30.139)
Yeah.

Corinna Harney-Jones (59:30.752)
Eel fear. Work your eels.

ECHO JOHNSON (59:31.059)
Again, please like, subscribe and follow the Bunny Chronicles podcast on YouTube as well as Bunny Chronicles podcast on Instagram, our Facebook page. We love you. We appreciate you. We could not do this without you. And we are just in complete gratitude and awe of our ever growing audience and people love what we're up to. They love the history and we promise to keep delivering it to you.

Corinna Harney-Jones (01:00:01.568)
Yay! Love you ladies. Love my playmates sisters. My playmates sisters. Thanks Victoria. I echo. Love you.

ECHO JOHNSON (01:00:02.287)
All right, we'll see you soon. I love you girls. Okay, catch you next time. Thank you, honey. sweetheart.

Victoria (01:00:04.621)
Thanks, baby.